Firing Line

I ran across this post regarding an old “Firing Line” episode where William F. Buckley is interviewing Malcolm Muggeridge on the topic of their mutual christian faith.

I have listened to the audio at the link in the following block twice now and I am going to listen to it many times more. Phenomenally good stuff.

Via Dave Armstrong’s site, I found an edited, online transcript of the broadcast as well as a Real Audio feed of the entire broadcast. The picture I posted here is coutesy of Cubeland Mystic.

“fertile mix of science and religion”

or as I like to say, you don’t replace something with nothing. here is a peek, but go check out the rest of the interview.

KLEFFEL: Armstrong sees the role of religion as a guiding force for ethical behavior. Margaret Atwood brings that notion to life in her newest novel, “The Year of the Flood.” It’s set in a dystopian near future where genetic engineering has ravaged much of the planet. The survivors have created a new religion.

Ms. ATWOOD: This group, which is called God’s Gardeners, has taken it possibly to an extreme that not everybody will be able to do. They live on rooftops in slums on which they have vegetable gardens. And they keep bees. And they are strictly vegetarian, unless you get really, really hungry, in which case you have to start at the bottom of the food chain and work up. And they make everything out of recycled castoffs and junk. So they’re quite strict.

KLEFFEL: Atwood points out that the beginnings of her religion of the future have already appeared in the present.

Ms. ATWOOD: Indeed, we now have the Green Bible among us,….

HT to iain murray

D.A. Carson on God’s existence

How do I know God exists?

HT to Ramblin’ Pastor Man

God’s Glory

An interesting twitter discussion has arisen between Mark Lamprecht Wes Widner and Jacob Hall.

Friends of Mark’s have a six year old son who has developed a brain tumor and on his blog, Mark posted John’s facebook entry about Faith, Sovereignty, and God’s glory. Go take a look at John’s response to this situation and the thanks people are expressing for the faith that he and his wife are showing in this trial. here is some of it, but go read it all.

First of all, I’m unsure about what kind of faith is being talked about. I’ve never been sure that it is God’s will that our Gideon be brought back to full health.

Now, when I say that, I’m not saying that I don’t think God could do that nor do I want you do think that I don’t desire that. I just don’t think that is the way God always works. However, I do know that God does work all things out for Him to get the maximum glory.

Now, many of you may ask “how can God get glory unless he heals Gideon?” My response would be that he definitely gets glory by healing Gideon, but He gets even more glory when we have our full satisfaction in Him and Him alone!

God isn’t all satisfying and worthy of my praise because he makes us healthy and wealthy. He isn’t worthy because He heals my little boy. He is all satisfying because He is God and He always does what is right! He is all satisfying because he rescued me from my biggest problem.

Our greatest problem isn’t poverty, lack of self-esteem, or brain tumors. Our biggest problem is we have sinned against a holy righteous God. He has saved me from my sin, and for that reason alone he is all satisfying. He is enough.

Yes, we have faith in our God, but our faith is that He will do what’s right and what is best…even if that meant taking Gideon from us.

Mark then posted the link to the blog entry on twitter as follows:

How would you react if your 6 yr old had a brain tumor? Would you glorify God? One family’s responsehttp://bit.ly/3IV3Xh

Wes responded with this:

@hereiblog Glorify God for what? Giving the strength and comfort to endure it or for giving the brain tumor? One isn’t glorifying.

Jacobhall jumped in then with this:

@kai5263499 Your view of God is totally skewed. He is worthy of Glory regardless of the situation.

then Wes:

@JacobHall86 Not if he kills innocent people for no reason. Sorry, that’s not the picture of God the bible paints.

then Jacob:

@kai5263499 Noone is innocent. That is the picture painted in the Bible. You assume with Pelagian views. None are Righteous.

Now look up at the two portions of Wes Widner’s entries that I bolded. do you see it? Wes has decided that he knows what brings God glory and he knows who is innocent and he knows when there is “no reason” for a death.

I have some questions.
Why does Wes have such a high view of himself and his own knowledge?
Why does he not approach this topic with a little more humility?
Why doesn’t he even give lip service to the possibility that God has something in mind in this situation that is far higher than our poor power to deduce as we rock along here in our finite bubble of right now with our limited intellects and our limited set of emotional responses?

Does Wes think God doesn’t at least have the ability to control this boy’s tumor?
If so, then what else doesn’t God control in Wes’ world?
If not, then isn’t allowing it to happen functionally the same as causing it?
Wouldn’t God remain culpable for the illness?
If that is the case, then isn’t it better to believe God to be fully sovereign over every aspect of this situation and every other situation in our lives?
Isn’t it better to fully trust a sovereign God who loves us, sent his Son to die for us, and promised us good things, with our illnesses and their outcome?
Isn’t it true that God is most glorified in us when we are most satisfied in Him, even in the midst of loss, heartache and pain?
Isn’t that what makes God look most fantastic to this lost and dying world?

just asking some questions here.

two on suffering

first courtesy of Vitamin Z we get this comforting bit that we will never be able to fully explain the problem of evil but that we can trust God anyway:

So how do Christians explain the problem of evil?

The reality is, we can’t provide an exhaustive theodicy or explanation of the existence of evil.  Our minds cannot fully fathom “why.”

But, in his recommended book, Return to Reason, Kelly Clark, explains why Christians need not feel intellectually compromised if they cannot explain the existence of evil.  Here is how he concludes the discussion.

The Christian theist need not be troubled by is his ignorance of a theodicy.  This ignorance is not insincere, questionable or obscurantist.  Rather, it is quite consistent with his theistic beliefs.  The Christian theist will believe that God has a good reason for allowing evil, although  he does not know what it is or know it in any detail.  He believes that God has a good reason because of God’s redemptive incarnational revelation.  It is not rationally incumbent upon the theist to produce a successful theodicy; the theist, in order to be rational, must simply believe that God has a good reason for allowing evil.  A God who shares in our pain, who redeems our sorrows and our shortcomings, who wipes away ever tear, is surely a good God. (page 89).

and then Halim Suh is making plans. He is thinking about what he wants his friends to tell him when suffering comes in his life. It is so very helpful to have right theology and right thinking about suffering firmly in place in your mind before the suffering hits. before the cancer diagnosis, before the layoff, before the horrible accident etc. etc. Here are some of Halim’s prospective advices to himself. Go read the rest.

Yesterday in our book group, we were discussing suffering. Honestly, I haven’t endured a lot of suffering, yet, in this life. Especially not the tragic, life-changes-in-a-moment kind of suffering. But, only the Lord knows if it is coming. I’ve been thinking a lot about what I would want people to tell me if I do go through a crisis – and these are things that I think I would need to hear:

Tell me that there is a God in heaven, who made the heavens and the earth and all that is in them. Remind me that my crisis, my suffering, is not a surprise to Him, and that it has not happened outside of His control. Tell me that my God has a purpose in everything – my suffering included. Remind me that He is the God who sees everything – not one thing has ever escaped His attention. He sees me now.
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Tell me that there is a Savior that suffered – a lot more than I can ever imagine. No matter how much suffering I am enduring, remind me that Jesus suffered so much more, infinitely more. Tell me that He can comfort me because He knows my pain. He knows my suffering. Tell me that my Jesus is there.

Tell me that God loves me with a fierce love – the kind that rips open seas, that drowns armies, that throws hailstones from heaven, that shuts up lions’ mouths, that saves from consuming fires, that heals the lame, that feeds the hungry and that conquers death. Remind me that my God loves me like that. And that this God doesn’t change, nor does His love for me change. So, if He has ordained suffering in my life, He is still loving me – although I may not see it or understand it.

Halim is one of the staff at Austin Stone Community Church.

I Peter 1:1-13

I have been spending a little time in I Peter again this week. I just love that letter and the more I study it the more that I see everything important is there.

Yesterday in Bible study we looked at the first 13 verses of the book.

Peter is writing to the elect exiles of the dispersion scattered in Asia Minor. These folks were uprooted from their homes in and around Jerusalem and forced to run for their lives around the time Stephen was stoned. see Acts 7-11.

The key bits are here in verses 3-9:

3(G) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ!(H) According to his great mercy,(I) he has caused us to be born again to a living hope(J) through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4to(K) an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and(L)unfading,(M) kept in heaven for you, 5who by God’s power are being guarded(N) through faith for a salvation(O) ready to be revealed in the last time. 6In this you rejoice, though now for a little while, if necessary, you have been grieved by(P) various trials, 7so that(Q) the tested genuineness of your faith—more precious than gold that perishes(R) though it is tested by(S) fire—may be found to result in(T) praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ. 8(U)Though you have not seen him, you love him.(V) Though you do not now see him, you believe in him and rejoice with joy that is inexpressible and filled with glory, 9obtaining(W) the outcome of your faith, the salvation of your souls.

he reminds them of the work God did in saving them and the thing for which they have been and are being saved.  A living hope, to an inheritance of epic proportions.  Then he references the terrible things that have happened to them and will continue to happen to them (see chapter 4) because of their following Christ.  (as an aside, isn’t it interesting that he mentions that we are guarded by God’s power through faith for salvation.  Thank God and His mercy and grace that we had the faith to believe in Him when we woke up this morning.  what a wonderful blessed relief that my faith doesn’t depend on my power.)

then he gets to verse 13 which is one of my favorites.

13Therefore, girding up the loins of your mind, and being sober-minded, set your hope fully on the grace that will be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.

the italicized portion is the word picture Peter used to mean gathering up the loose ends and tucking them in your belt so that you are ready for action. Can’t be tripping over the dress tail of our mind as we engage in setting our “hope fully on the grace” that will be brought to us when Jesus Christ is revealed.

So here are my questions for the guys yesterday and for all of us today:

Is it even possible for us christians who make up the modern evangelical church in America to “set our hope fully on the grace to be revealed at the revelation of Jesus Christ”?

Can we do it if our faith hasn’t been tested in fire and found to be genuine?

Can we do it if we continue to be torn between our stuff here and our own vision of the way the world ought to be for us here and the imperishable undefiled unfading inheritance that is yet to come?

If so, how?

If not, what does that mean needs to happen to us?

who do you trust? part III

all right, now let’s go back where we started. In John 10:10, Jesus contrasts himself and his mission with the thief.

The thief comes to steal, kill and destroy. Jesus came to bring abundant life.

and here are we sheep in the middle. we have a choice to make.

do I send this email to someone not my spouse that will take me a step further down the road to adultery? Do I make this phone call? do I set up this lunch appointment? Do I…..? whatever it is.

What thoughts are going through my head in that moment? My spouse makes me miserable. I should be happy. This other person makes me happy. I can’t bear the thought of staying home with the spouse that makes me miserable. oh, who am I kidding we make each other miserable. Really it isn’t fair to either of us to stay locked down like this in misery. Surely God wants us to be happy. surely it is better for all of us if we just find a way out. After all, the kids shouldn’t have to watch us fight. I feel so awesome when I am around this other person. they make me feel wanted. They make me feel sexy again. and so on and so on.

Here is the thing. As human beings, we can think and reason. We have an absolutely amazing capacity to rationalize what we want to do and make it seem ok. We have an enemy who wants to destroy us who has thousands of years feeding rationalizations by humans to take them down the path to destruction. we also have the remnants of the flesh in us that want to be gratified.

The combination of these elements means that all we like sheep have gone astray. there is not a single one of us who isn’t bent.

we all need God’s power to keep us from rationalizing ourselves into indulging our flesh.

We also need to believe at a very deep level that pursuing God’s way is better for us. Because the bottom line is that we are going to do whatever we really truly want to do.

That is why I have titled this series “who do you trust?” Because that is the question.

Do we trust God who sent His only begotten Son to die a horrible death on the cross so that we could be reconciled to God with our very happiness?

Or do we trust our limited ability to decide what’s best for us as we rock along in our little bubble of RIGHT NOW.

It is kind of silly for us to think that we can do a better job of deciding what is better for us and those we love than God. God who loved us when we were unlovely. God who made the universe. God who designed us. God who cared enough about us to leave us His Word for us to get to know Him better.

But so many times every day that is what we do. We just decide that we know best. We then get off in the ditch and start begging for God to get us out or worse, we blame God for letting us get off the road in the first place.

God hates divorce. He wouldn’t accept offerings from promise breakers. Jesus said that divorce was only given because people were selfish and hard hearted.

So there it is. Do we trust God with our marriage? Or do we trust ourselves and our own rationalizations as we go down the path to blowing up our lives in the name of “happiness”?

faith comes from hearing

At one of my less regular stops on the blogosphere this morning, I found an excellent example of how to interpret the Bible.

Romans 10:17 says:

17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.

what does that mean and what doesn’t it mean? how do you know? Go read John Samson’s article at the link for a full explanation, but here is the nub:

How can someone be sure of the correct interpretation of Romans 10:17? One of the keys – and as I understand it, the most important key to correct interpretation is to know the context. Context tells us what the subject is, what the background was, who was writing, who were the recipients, and so on and so forth. As I hear something being taught, or hear a verse being quoted in support of an argument, my mind naturally thinks of the immediate context of the verse. I train myself to mentally go through this process. This really helps me determine if what I am hearing is true. It helps me to ask questions such as “what was the original purpose of the passage? What was the author seeking to achieve in the passage being quoted?” Often times this process alone has saved me from many a misguided idea. The problem with this is that we all have our blind spots. It takes vigilance to be on guard for error. The most dangerous thing is to never ask questions concerning context, for this is the sure way to error. This is exactly what the cults do – lifting verses out of their setting to seek to deny the Deity of Christ, for example.

panting for God

how long has it been since you felt like this?

1 As a deer pants for flowing streams,
so pants my soul for you, O God.
2 My soul thirsts for God,
for the living God.

Jeff Mangum talked about self feeding this morning at church.

The thing is that until you have a soul thirsty for God, you simply won’t put much effort into self feeding. Certainly, there is a place for discipline in the Christian life and sometimes we keep doing what we know we ought to be doing because we know we ought to do it. But when you fall in love with God, then you hunger/pant/thirst for Him and you aren’t satisfied with anything less than personal time with Him.

It occurs to me that this hunger/panting/thirsting for God is given to us by God as a gift. II Peter 1:3. But then notice II Peter 1:5 “5 For this very reason, make every effort to supplement your faith…”

These are the same two sides to the coin as always. God gives us the power and therefore we make every effort.

Pray for God to make you hungry to know Him to pant for him like a deer pants for water, then make every effort to supplement your faith with virtue, knowledge, self-control, steadfastness, godliness, brotherly affection and love.

dealing with doubt

here is John Piper talking about doubts

a lesson in faith from Hebrew midwives

Kevin DeYoung points to Exodus 1:17 for a lesson in faith from Hebrew midwives.

here it is:

“17But the midwives feared God and did not do as the king of Egypt commanded them, but let the male children live.”

and here is Kevin’s conclusion:

The bottom line is that we will never display strength in the face of temptation, or courage in the face of opposition, or boldness in the face of disapproval unless we think it a bigger deal to disobey God than to disappoint men. In Jesus’ day, many believed in him, “but for fear of the Pharisees they did not confess it, so that they would not be put out of the synagogue; for they loved the glory that comes from man more than the glory that comes from God” (John 12:42-43). Without the fear of God in our lives, we may manage to look like decent, respectable, nice people, but we will not receive the glory that comes from God. We will not shine as light and preserve as salt. And we would have killed Moses.

Now for further study, reconcile Exodus 1:17 with Romans 13:1-7

going with what you know

sometimes in the midst of heartbreak and pain, it is easy to lose sight of God. We get overwhelmed. Platitudes and cliches in that moment don’t help.

That is why I love the Psalms. David was an emotional guy on an emotional roller coaster. Compare Psalm 35 (David on a bad day) with Psalm 37 (David on a good day).

the point is that when we are in the middle of the storm is not the time to be making four part logical scriptural arguments about how God intends for this to all work out for our good. Instead, as the waves wash over our heads and we feel like just letting go and drowning, all we can do is cling to the Rock of our Salvation.

We have to rest secure in what we know even when it varies from what we feel. What we know is in whom we have believed. When Paul wrote that, waves of disappointing events and problems were hitting him one after the other. people were letting him down, deserting him to save their own skin, execution imminent. But he wrote: “12 ….. But I am not ashamed, for I know whom I have believed, and I am convinced that he is able to guard until that Day what has been entrusted to me.”

When the chips are down and people disappoint us, we have to use our head and rest in what we know, no matter how we feel.

We know that our God is the God “who gives life to the dead and calls into existence the things that do not exist.

We know that this God made us alive, loves us, saves us, and prepares work for us to do.

I love this song:

also, there isn’t a video for this one on YouTube that I could find, but it is fantastic. Alli Rogers is a great singer/writer

John 10

I have been spending some time in the Gospel of John lately. It is amazing how reading familiar words can have a new impact on you when you are reading them again.

Just look for a minute at some phrases from John 10.

here are verses 3-5:

3. To him [the shepherd] the gatekeeper opens. The sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4. When he has brought out all his own, he goes before them, and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. 5. A stranger they will not follow, but they will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers.”

emphasis added.

Isn’t that comforting? Amazing? the Shepherd calls “his own sheep” by their own name and he leads them. The sheep “know his voice”. What a great and comforting word from God. Jesus calls his sheep by their name and he leads them. Just think about how fantastic that is for a bit.

go on down to verses 9-16:

9. I am the door. If anyone enters by me, he will be saved and will go in and out and find pasture. 10. The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly. 11. I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. 12. He who is a hired hand and not a shepherd, who does not own the sheep, sees the wolf coming and leaves the sheep and flees, and the wolf snatches them and scatters them. 13. He flees because he is a hired hand and cares nothing for the sheep. 14. I am the good shepherd. I know my own and my own know me, 15. just as the Father knows me and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16. And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd.

emphasis added
Jesus came to give the sheep that enter by his name abundant life. He is good and proof that he is a good shepherd is that he put his own life on the line for his sheep. Just think about that for a bit. Contrast that with man made gods like Zeus or Money or Fame. Which of these man made idols ever proved their love for us by laying down their own life for their flock?

Jesus knows his own and they know him. They know his goodness. They know of his sacrifice for them. They know him just like he and God the Father know each other. They are part of the God’s family. There are even more sheep out there who belong to Jesus the great Shepherd and they will listen to Jesus’ voice. Why will they listen? Because verse 3-5 above says that he calls them by name and is not a stranger.

then check out verses 24-27:

24. So the Jews gathered around him and said to him, “How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly.” 25. Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father’s name bear witness about me, 26. but you do not believe because you are not part of my flock. 27. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.

emphasis added

Very interesting indeed. The Jews gathered around and asked Jesus straight up “Are you the Messiah or not?” Jesus answered by saying that he had told them plainly and had done works (miracles) in God’s name as evidence to prove what he had said with his mouth. Then Jesus says something that should capture much more attention in pulpits than it does. He says “you do not believe because you are not part of my flock.”

Now think a minute. Doesn’t Jesus have that backwards? Shouldn’t he have said “you are not part of my flock because you do not believe”? Wouldn’t the latter be more consistent with the way most of us are taught about salvation?

But he didn’t say it the way we would expect. And when you think about it very much, you can see why. Making our status inside or outside the sheepfold of God dependent on our choosing to believe elevates us. It makes anyone who “believes” smarter/wiser/better than someone who doesn’t “believe.” But Ephesians 1 and 2 make it clear that there is no such possibility. We were chosen in Him before the foundation of the world to the praise of His glorious grace. We were part of His flock before we were born and before the Earth was created. We were part of His flock before time began. Names were written in the Lamb’s Book of Life before the foundation of the world. We are saved by grace through faith and all of it is the gift of God. Ephesians 2:8-9

But you say, We must follow the shepherd. We must believe. We must exercise faith. And I agree. Scripture makes this requirement clear such that there is no doubt about it. Indeed we must make a choice (Romans 10:9-10), but the thing to realize is that apart from God’s hand, we are dead and unable to make such a choice. By the providence of God and the love of the Great Shepherd, we were made alive and by grace we are given the faith as a gift that we use to choose to follow the Shepherd who laid down his life for us. Salvation is God’s work from first to last. Salvation is God’s work so that his glorious grace might be seen and praised for the magnificent thing that it truly is.

Jesus says that his sheep are called by their own name. Jesus says that his sheep know his voice and follow him because they know him. Jesus says that he has other sheep in other pastures who also know his voice and will follow him when they hear his voice. Jesus says that other sheep do not believe in Him because they are not part of his flock.

Now my question to you after you read John 10 and think about it and pray about it is: Do you agree with what Jesus plainly says? Or do you find yourself saying some version of “yes, but….”

hat tip to John Samson for the John 10:26 rephrase

he knew what was in man

John Piper’s sermon from last sunday on John 2:23-25 is both haunting and reassuring.

John 2:23-25

Now when he was in Jerusalem at the Passover Feast, many believed in his name when they saw the signs that he was doing. 24 But Jesus on his part did not entrust himself to them, because he knew all people 25 and needed no one to bear witness about man, for he himself knew what was in man.

Jesus was omniscient. He didn’t need anybody to tell him anything about people. He knew what was in man. as a result, he didn’t entrust himself to them. But at the same time, while we remained completely powerless and in our sin, he died for us and rose again.

Here is the introductory paragraph to the sermon, but go read, listen to, or watch the whole thing. I am enjoying John Piper’s journey through the Gospel of John.

In view of this, John 2:23-25 has an unsettling effect. What it says, in essence, is that Jesus knows what is in every heart, and so he can see when someone believes in a way that is not really believing. In other words, Jesus’ ability to know every heart perfectly leads to the unsettling truth that some belief is not the kind of belief that obtains fellowship with Jesus and eternal life. Some belief is not saving belief.

So there are two things to focus on here. First is the glory of the omniscience of Jesus. And the second is the discovery that there is a kind of faith in Jesus that he does not approve and does not accept

a fascinating article

Courtesy of Carl Trueman here is an article in the Times of London from an atheist. His point is that what the continent of Africa needs is the spiritual renewal brought by Christian missionaries.

Here is a teaser, but you have to read the whole thing, it is fascinating.

But travelling in Malawi refreshed another belief, too: one I’ve been trying to banish all my life, but an observation I’ve been unable to avoid since my African childhood. It confounds my ideological beliefs, stubbornly refuses to fit my world view, and has embarrassed my growing belief that there is no God.

Now a confirmed atheist, I’ve become convinced of the enormous contribution that Christian evangelism makes in Africa: sharply distinct from the work of secular NGOs, government projects and international aid efforts. These alone will not do. Education and training alone will not do. In Africa Christianity changes people’s hearts. It brings a spiritual transformation. The rebirth is real. The change is good.
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Faith does more than support the missionary; it is also transferred to his flock. This is the effect that matters so immensely, and which I cannot help observing.
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Christianity, post-Reformation and post-Luther, with its teaching of a direct, personal, two-way link between the individual and God, unmediated by the collective, and unsubordinate to any other human being, smashes straight through the philosphical/spiritual framework I’ve just described. It offers something to hold on to to those anxious to cast off a crushing tribal groupthink. That is why and how it liberates.

anyway, those are three snips from an article that should be read in its entirety.

Paradise

In a Tabletalk article Burk Parsons mentions the 2005 film Paradise Now about Islamic terrorists about to blow themselves up and uses it as a segue to discuss the concept of Paradise for believers:

Jesus promised paradise to the thief on the cross (Luke 23:43), and He has promised paradise to us (Rev. 2:7). Just as the thief recognized his destitute condition, so we cannot enter paradise until we first recognize that we cannot enter it by our own power. Our problem is twofold: First, because we have such a low estimation of how destitute we are, we have too high an estimation of our own strength in attaining paradise. Second, because we have such a high regard for this life, we have a low expectation of paradise; thus, we do not do not long for the promised paradise as we should.
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Christ has inaugurated His ministry of regaining paradise, and He will continue in that ministry at the right hand of the Father until He returns and establishes the new heavens and new earth (Rev. 21). Our paradise now is the spiritual reality that we are already glorified and seated with Christ in the heavenly places (Rom. 8:30; Eph. 1:20), and our paradise to come is physical reality wherein the Lord will wipe away every tear from our eyes as we worship Him coram Deo.

Do you agree that we have too high an estimation of our own ability to achieve paradise on our own? Do you agree that we have a low expectation of paradise because we have too high a regard for this life?

Why or why not?

two lines at once

Ramblin’ Pastor man has several quotes from Charles Spurgeon posted. Go take a look. I especially enjoyed this bit here:

Not only are there a few cardinal doctrines, by which we can steer our ship North, South, East, or West, but as we study the Word, we shall begin to learn something about the North-west and North-east, and all else that lies between the four cardinal points. The system of truth revealed in the Scriptures is not simply one straight line, but two; and no man will ever get a right view of the gospel until he knows how to look at the two lines at once. For instance, I read in one Book of the Bible, “The Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.” Yet I am taught, in another part of the same inspired Word, that “it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.” I see, in one place, God in providence presiding over all, and yet I see, and I cannot help seeing, that man acts as he pleases, and that God has left his actions, in a great measure, to his own free-will. Now, if I were to declare that man was so free to act that there was no control of God over his actions, I should be driven very near to atheism; and if, on the other hand, I should declare that God so over-rules all things that man is not free enough to be responsible, I should be driven at once into Antinomianism or fatalism. That God predestines, and yet that man is responsible, are two facts that few can see clearly. They are believed to be inconsistent and contradictory to each other. If, then, I find taught in one part of the Bible that everything is fore-ordained, that is true; and if I find, in another Scripture, that man is responsible for all his actions, that is true; and it is only my folly that leads me to imagine that these two truths can ever contradict each other. I do not believe they can ever be welded into one upon any earthly anvil, but they certainly shall be one in eternity. They are two lines that are so nearly parallel, that the human mind which pursues them farthest will never discover that they converge, but they do converge, and they will meet somewhere in eternity, close to the throne of God, whence all truth doth spring.”

the italics are his, but the bolding is mine.

there is the basic fundamental tension at the heart of everything. I love it when he says, “No man will ever get a right view of the gospel until he knows how to look at two lines at once.”

Both lines are ever present in the Bible.

After church yesterday (don’t tell Malcolm Yarnell, but we went to a Presbyterian church yesterday) I was looking with my kids at John chapter 1. Both lines are right there in verses 12 and 13. we have to receive and believe, but we are born of God and not of the will of man or flesh. I just love it.

How good are you at seeing two lines at the same time? Do you embrace the tension and mystery at the heart of the gospel? Aren’t you glad to worship a God that you can’t figure out?

thought for the day

from David Bosch, Believing the Future via Todd Hiestand.

“Mission is more than and different from recruiting to our brand of religion; it is alerting people to the universal reign of God.”

David Bosch in Believing the Future

podcasts

we started a study of Luke at Vista Church three weeks ago. The podcasts are here. I highly recommend all three of them. Jeff Mangum has been on flaming fire. three of the best messages that go right at the heart of the matter of faith and trust with which I have ever been challenged.

on doubt

Here is a post from C.J. Mahaney talking about Os Guiness and his book In Two Minds: The Dilemma of Doubt and How to Resolve It (IVP, 1976). This book is now sold as God in the Dark: The Assurance of Faith Beyond a Shadow of Doubt.

as I have said before, Mark 9:24 is one of my favorite verses in the Bible because it so accurately captures faith as I experience it.

I agree with Mr. Guiness that anyone who has ever believed anything has experienced doubts. Doubts have to be named and faced. Doubt only becomes destructive if it is swept into a closet for dealing with later.

As quoted by C.J. Mahaney, here is a clip from the first chapter of Os Guiness’ book on the proper role of doubt in a believer’s life.

“Christianity places a premium on the absolute truthfulness and trustworthiness of God, so understanding doubt is extremely important to a Christian. Of course, faith is much more than the absence of doubt, but to understand doubt is to have a key to a quiet heart and a quiet mind. Anyone who believes anything will automatically know something about doubt. But the person who knows why he believes is also in a position to discover why he doubts. The Christian should be such a person.

Not only does a Christian believe, he is a person who ‘thinks in believing and believes in thinking,’ as Augustine expressed it. The world of Christian faith is not a fairy-tale, make-believe world, question-free and problem-proof, but a world where doubt is never far from faith’s shoulder.

Consequently, a healthy understanding of doubt should go hand in hand with a healthy understanding of faith. We ourselves are called in question if we have no answer to doubt. If we constantly doubt what we believe and always believe-yet-doubt, we will be in danger of undermining our personal integrity, if not our stability. But if ours is an examined faith, we should be unafraid to doubt. If doubt is eventually justified, we were believing what clearly was not worth believing. But if doubt is answered, our faith has grown stronger still. It knows God more certainly and it can enjoy God more deeply.” (pp. 15-16).

here is the way that I put it in an email last fall.

I would say that as I have gotten older I have experienced a change myself in how I view and experience God. I have become less and less sure of some things and more and more sure of others as I have grown older.

I am much less sure of many of the specific doctrinal things about which I used to be certain. I am much more certain of the reality of a personal, living, loving, relational God because I have experienced the wonderful joy and privilege of spending time with Him getting to know Him and letting Him get to know me.

Based on my experience, I can confidently assert that God is real and that He loves you right where you are in whatever circumstances you find yourself.

Recently I read the book Blue Like Jazz. [] You should definitely get a copy and read it. It is like no other book I have ever read. Donald Miller says the following on page 51:

            “The goofy thing about Christian faith is that you believe it and don’t believe it at the same time. It isn’t unlike having an imaginary friend. I believe in Jesus; I believe He is the Son of God, but every time I sit down to explain this to somebody I feel like a palm reader, like somebody who works at a circus or a kid who is always making things up or somebody at a Star Trek convention who hasn’t figured out the show isn’t real.

            Until.
           
            When one of my friends becomes a Christian, which happens about once every ten years because I am such a sheep about sharing my faith, the experience is euphoric. I see in their eyes the trueness of the story.” (emphasis added)

I know exactly what Don means in that quote. The only thing I would add is that when I spend time with my God, my Savior and my Father in Heaven, the experience is euphoric. To be known completely and yet still completely loved is liberating. I personally feel the trueness of the story.

hat tip to Challies for the link to C.J. Mahaney.

evidence

What is evidence?

being a lawyer, I am used to thinking of evidence as coming from admissible documents and witness testimony. whenever I am preparing a case, I engage in “discovery.” discovery is a process of asking questions and requesting documents related to the event that is the subject of the case. Documents include the ones formalizing the transaction as well as notes, emails, letters and journal entries from the time of the deal as well as before and after it. I ask questions under oath in writing and orally at depositions to see what witnesses remember about the event and related matters.

The best evidence of what happened is contemporaneous accounts of the event. Before secondary motives enter the picture to color memories and shade the recollections. Showing the jury contemporaneously authored documents supporting my client’s version of events is the most persuasive evidence.

In the comments to this post, Postman began by stating that following Christ is as much superstition as astrology is. I responded that what sets Christianity apart is the witnessed empirical fact of the resurrection of Jesus from Joseph of Arimethea’s grave. Postman then said that this is a circular argument because the only evidence is in the Bible and therefore it is using the thing sought to be proven as the proof. (go spend some time at Postman’s blog. He is funny and spends a lot of time satirizing religious folks. Above all, pray for him that God will intervene with him like He did with Paul on the road to Damascus)

I am familiar with the danger of circular reasoning and I appreciate Postman’s attempted argument here.

But let’s look carefully at the evidence.

Jesus was a Jew living in Palestine in the first century A.D. His existence is a historical fact corroborated by contemporary historians such as Josephus and ones soon thereafter like Tertullian. Jesus gathered a group of 12 other Jewish men and spent approximately three years with them before being crucified. Jesus was governed by Jewish ceremonial law as were His disciples. At that time, the Hellenistic culture superimposed over the Middle East and Asia Minor carried with it the worship of the Greek mythological pantheon. The governing Romans also had their own version of that polytheistic pantheon.

Generally, the two existing belief systems in Palestine in the first century were polytheistic paganism and Jewish law as stated in the Old Testament.

Jesus lived and taught and developed a following. He also developed powerful enemies among the ruling Jewish leaders who served on a council called the Sanhedrin. Eventually, the Sanhedrin put Jesus on trial and convicted Him of blasphemy and heresy. The sentence was death. The Jewish leaders had no ability to exercise the sentence due to the governance of the Romans. They passed the job off to the Romans and the governor, Pilate ordered done even though his own trial found Jesus to be innocent of the charge of claiming to be a king at odds with the Emperor of Rome. This event occurred during the Feast of Passover.

According to the Gospels, Jesus came out of the grave and walked the Earth for the next 40 days. During Pentecost, approximately 50 days after the Passover, Jesus 11 surviving friends began proclaiming Jesus as the promised Jewish Messiah in the Temple courts to whomever would listen.

For the next 30 to 60 years, these 11 men continued to tell whoever would listen about the Man with whom they had spent time. They told everybody what they had seen and what they had heard.

The Jewish leaders did not like this. They didn’t believe that Jesus was the Messiah and they branded anyone who did believe it a blasphemer who was outside of the law. Over time, every single one of the twelve friends of Jesus was killed because they wouldn’t stop talking about what they had seen and heard.

These 11 guys didn’t set out to make a new religion. This is not the same as Joseph Smith getting a book on golden tablets from the Angel Moroni. It is not the same as an angel appearing to Mohammed in the desert and giving him the Koran. Each of these men consciously began a religion from scratch with a full blown book.

Christianity began in a feel their way along doing the best they can way. Look at the first 15 chapters of Acts. They were talking to new groups as they had opportunity. They were addressing issues as they came up. They were dealing with persecution and being ostracized from their communities. They were consumed with telling the story about what they had seen and heard.

A pharisee, Jewish leader, named Saul was one of the guys leading the drive to stomp out the Christ followers. He was on a mission to Damascus to find any of them over there when he was struck by a bright light and spoke with a voice from heaven. Thereafter, he turned from being a pharisee and began telling anybody who would listen that Jesus was the promised Jewish Messiah. As a result, he was beaten, imprisoned twice and eventually killed by Nero.

In the course of telling people about Jesus, the people who spent time with Him wrote down their eyewitness accounts of His life. Matthew and John were two of the twelve and wrote their own letters about the events. Mark was dictated by Peter and Luke was a physician who gathered eyewitness accounts from several people and reported them in writing to Theophilus.

The point is that none of the four Gospels was intended by the writers to be canonized into “The Holy Bible.” In addition, the remainder of the New Testament were similarly letters to groups of believers about the teachings of Jesus and how to apply them in various circumstances. Acts was a continuation of Luke’s account to Theophilus. The rest were simple letters. Again, none of them was intended by the authors to be canonized into a new holy book for a new religion.

Only gradually did these men and the ones who believed in Jesus as the Messiah because of their eyewitness testimony begin to systematize and organize into a religion. Paul’s letters had been collected and circulated in a collected form by the end of the first century. By the late 100’s there was fairly common agreement among christians on the 27 books that comprise the modern New Testament.

My point is that a small group of mainly Jewish people faced down the opposition of their entire belief structure because they had seen Jesus alive after He had been crucified. There was no motive to make up such a tale. In fact, every human motivation would have been to go back to business as usual.

Saul/Paul had no human motive to turn his back on his prominent position and begin proclaiming Jesus as the Messiah. He had every reason to continue with zeal down the path that he had been pursuing so successfully during his life to that point.

We do a great disservice to these men and their sacrifice if we say that it is all a fairy tale. The evidence from contemporaneous accounts, oral and written matches what these men did with their lives in preaching the good news about what they had seen and heard even to the point of death.

Dismissing these sacrifices out of hand because the written accounts were later assembled into a book is to ignore the evidence.

God is rational. Worship of God is a rational reasonable choice.

where we are.

according to George Barna, in 2001 8% of americans were evangelicals defined as follows:

All Barna Research studies define “evangelicals” as individuals who meet the born again criteria; say their faith is very important in their life today; believe they have a personal responsibility to share their religious beliefs about Christ with non-Christians; acknowledge the existence of Satan; contend that eternal salvation is possible only through God’s grace, not through good deeds; believe that Jesus Christ lived a sinless life on earth; and describe God as the all-knowing, all-powerful, perfect deity who created the universe and still rules it today. In this approach, being classified as an evangelical has no relationship to church affiliation or attendance, nor does it rely upon people describing themselves as “evangelical.”

This classification model indicates that only 8% of adults are evangelicals. Barna Research data show that 12% of adults were evangelicals a decade ago, but the number has dropped by a third as Americans continue to reshape their theological views.

8%. Now let’s assume that this number is still reasonably accurate. (in fact, it could be higher or lower by now, but there is some indication that it remains reasonably accurate.).

more from that Miami Herald opinion piece:

They’re [the Southern Baptists are] admitting what their own studies show — that evangelicals almost never convert a native-born American who wasn’t raised in a church. That most evangelical growth comes from stealing the sheep from other denominations. And that they’ve stolen about all they can.

They’re also admitting that most evangelicals won’t evangelize. And if they did, it wouldn’t get them anywhere because the usual methods don’t work. They don’t work first because they usually rest on the idea that Christians are the only ones saved. In today’s religiously equalitarian culture, that assertion causes evangelicals to seem distastefully holier-than-thou.

Conversion tactics also focus on telling people the Good News as though no one else knows it. But most everyone has heard it. Again and again. The trouble is that they aren’t convinced. They aren’t scared of hell. They aren’t hoping for heaven. And Christians haven’t been good at giving anyone better reasons than that for following Jesus.

They have reasons. They just aren’t telling them. They need to.

From outward appearances, Christian faith doesn’t change behavior for the better.

Evangelicals divorce, do drugs, drink alcohol, have sex outside marriage, have abortions — you name it, they do it, at the same rates as everyone else. At the same time, they are well known for espousing political policies that favor the rich over the poor, would deny equal rights to gay people and support war.

Whether these position are right or wrong, the culture at large judges them to be un-Christian. So the evangelical witness sinks even further. But that’s not the worst of it. Stories of great evangelical faith don’t convert people either.

emphasis added

So there we are as of August 2008. The question remains, what do we do?

I find myself in conversations all the time with people about life. Most of the people that I talk to on a regular or even first time basis (because of the introduction) know that I am a believer in Jesus. I find that people who want to argue against Christianity spend a good bit of their time arguing about abortion, abstinence education, stem cell research, homosexual marriage, etc. etc. ad nauseum.

It occurs to me that, as Christ followers, we are ambassadors for Christ entrusted with the ministry of reconciliation.

Ambassadors carry messages from their president/prime minister/king. Our message to this nation, to our friends, neighbors, coworkers etc, is the Gospel. Most of the people we see every day are already familiar with this Gospel.

Most of the people we see every day are also familiar with the lives of one or more people who profess to follow Christ. They have already decided to reject Christ.

Some reject God because they want God to answer to their standard of “justice”, “fairness”, or “goodness”, and when something happens that offends their subjective notions of these things, then they reject God.

Others reject God because of what they see in the lives of supposed Christians. They see the same exact things in those lives as they see in the mirror. The same adultery, unhappiness, critical spirit, unloving selfishness etc. etc.

In order to reach this world, we have to do at least three non-negotiable things.

We must first exalt the one true God who is not beholden to our notions of what He should do. We must exalt God as the sovereign majesty of the entire world who is righteous and holy and good. What He does is, by definition, holy, righteous and good. He is the potter and He has the freedom of the potter to make what He wants to make.

God is not exalted when we preach a prosperity gospel that proclaims “if you believe, God will bless you with health, wealth, safety and whatever else you selfishly want.” God is exalted when we preach that God is glorious in every situation of life. God is exalted when we trust Him completely with the cancer, job loss and rebellious kids that come our way.

The second thing that we simply must do is to live our lives with love. We must love God with all of our hearts, soul, mind and strength. We must love each other sacrificially and fervently. We must put the needs of others before those of ourself.

Finally, we must live with sobermindedness. We must prepare our minds for action (gird up the loins of our minds) and set our hope fully on the grace to be revealed. Remembering always that this world is not our home. It is a temporary place where we have been sent as messengers/ambassadors for the one true King and His Kingdom, the Kingdom of Heaven.

do we tolerate sin?

Ligonier has a book review of Respectable Sins: Confronting the Sins We Tolerate (NavPress, 2007) by Jerry Bridges.

Tragically, the idea of sin has disappeared in many churches, and where the concept remains, it is sometimes deflected. In other words, we readily condemn those outside of the church for flagrant sins, all the while silently condoning our own sins such as gossip, envy, and discontentment. We do not realize that sin, all sin, is a malignant spiritual cancer that, left unchecked, will destroy us and corrupt those around us.

…..

After dealing with these necessary introductory matters, Bridges moves to a chapter-by-chapter analysis of “respectable sins.” Bridges considers the root sin to be ungodliness: “living one’s everyday life with little or no thought of God, or of God’s will, or of God’s glory, or of one’s dependence on God.” Christians often live in this way, as if God is essentially irrelevant in their day-to-day lives.

My question is this: is it useful to think of sin like this? Is it useful to make lists of things we shouldn’t do? Why would such a list be helpful? why might it be harmful?

How might the “list” concept of sin create unnecessary guilt? How might the “list” concept of sin create an unjustified sense of well being?

Look at the story of the Rich Young Ruler and then look at Romans 14:23. What did Jesus think of the “list” concept of sin? why did he tell the man to sell everything he had and give it all away. What did Paul think of the “list” concept?

Paul describes sin as anything that is done apart from faith. Whether it is on our checklist of actions to avoid or not. Eating apart from faith is sin. driving to work apart from faith is sin. Kissing my children apart from faith is sin.

Romans 14:23 thus expands the universe of sin infinitely. All of us are drowning in sin everyday. I think it is probably more useful to get away from the “list” concept of sin and bear down on the real issue. How can we live all of our life every day in faith? How can we endeavor to trust God with every aspect of our being, our family and our material resources? Failure to do that is sin.

UPDATE: I want to disagree with myself a bit and clarify. Obviously, there are sinful actions that would be on any list. We are told to avoid these things repeatedly. Ephesians 5 is a good example of the contrast. In Eph. 5:3-4 there is a good list of actions that sinful people engage in. However, even in a passage like this Paul is not telling the believers to simply avoid those actions. He is telling them to go beyond conduct modification to avoid the bad stuff they used to do.

He tells them to be imitators of God in verse 1. He tells them to walk as children of the light in verse 8. And he tells them that they must endeavor to find out/discern what is pleasing to God in verse 10 and to make the best use of their time because the days are evil (time is slipping away quickly) in verse 15.

Read Ezekiel 16. In that chapter, God allows Ezekiel to record how God feels about Israel’s betrayal. When you read it, do you get the sense that God is most upset by the actual actions taken by the Israelites? or is He most upset by their placement of their trust in the beauty and stuff that He gave them rather than maintaining their trust in Him?

New link in the sidebar

I put a new link over to the right to this excellent page on Resurgence. It is an excellent refutation of doctrinal errors that some leaders are making in an attempt to be culturally relevant.

I post here again Driscoll’s summary words on the topic.

if you have time, here is the page where you can download the full message that Mark was teasing in this video. It is very good stuff.

we have to be culturally relevant, but we also have to contend for the faith.

Mr. Obama’s faith

here is a transcript of an interview Barack Obama gave back in 2004. Read all of it when you can, but in the meantime I found these exchanges to be fascinating:

OBAMA:Where do you move forward with that?
This is something that I’m sure I’d have serious debates with my fellow Christians about. I think that the difficult thing about any religion, including Christianity, is that at some level there is a call to evangelize and prostelytize. There’s the belief, certainly in some quarters, that people haven’t embraced Jesus Christ as their personal savior that they’re going to hell.

GG:You don’t believe that?

OBAMA:I find it hard to believe that my God would consign four-fifths of the world to hell.
I can’t imagine that my God would allow some little Hindu kid in India who never interacts with the Christian faith to somehow burn for all eternity.
That’s just not part of my religious makeup.

….

GG:Do you believe in heaven?

OBAMA:Do I believe in the harps and clouds and wings?

GG:A place spiritually you go to after you die?

OBAMA:What I believe in is that if I live my life as well as I can, that I will be rewarded. I don’t presume to have knowledge of what happens after I die. But I feel very strongly that whether the reward is in the here and now or in the hereafter, the aligning myself to my faith and my values is a good thing.
When I tuck in my daughters at night and I feel like I’ve been a good father to them, and I see in them that I am transferring values that I got from my mother and that they’re kind people and that they’re honest people, and they’re curious people, that’s a little piece of heaven.

GG:Do you believe in sin?

OBAMA:Yes.

GG:What is sin?

OBAMA:Being out of alignment with my values.

GG:What happens if you have sin in your life?

OBAMA:I think it’s the same thing as the question about heaven. In the same way that if I’m true to myself and my faith that that is its own reward, when I’m not true to it, it’s its own punishment.

emphasis added by BKI

I wonder how many people who consider themselves to be christians believe that sin is “being out of alignment with my values”?

how amazingly self-referential is that? The ultimate questions of right and wrong, heaven and hell determined by whether or not his actions are consistent with his internal values.